Shorter example of an auto generated AHNENTAFEL made in FTM 11 privatised and edited
Ancestors of Hugh Bartley Watkins
Generation No. 1
1. Hugh Bartley Watkins, born January 7 1936.
He was the son of 2. Alfred Henry (David) Watkins and 3. Alison Mary Lapham. He married (1) Judith Gwladys Thomas Private. She was born February 24, 1938 in AMW BB (Judy) Rugby?, and died Abt. 1998 in London. She was the daughter of Thomas. He married (2) Christine Ann (Chris) Riley Private. She was born Private. She was the daughter of George Patrick Riley and Annie Forrester. He married (3) Inger-Lise Kristoffersen Private. She was born Private. She was the daughter of Knud Mogens Kristoffersen and Elly Elizabeth Thomsen.
Generation No. 2
2. Alfred Henry (David) Watkins, born August 17, 1907 in Usk Monmouthshire1; died September 24, 1942 sinking of HMS Somali. He was the son of 4. Alfred Henry Watkins and 5. Blanche Eveline Jones. He married 3. Alison Mary Lapham December 23, 1933 in Parish Church, Berkswell, Warwickshire.
3. Alison Mary Lapham, born May 16, 1908 in Filton, Gloucestershire UK; died December 22, 1999 in Heartlands Hospital,Bordesley Green, Birmingham, West Midlands UK2. She was the daughter of 6. Alfred Thomas Lapham and 7. Florence Caroline Evans.
Generation No. 3
4. Alfred Henry Watkins, born August 13, 1862 in Llanvair Kilgeddin, Monmouthshire AMW BB; died January 2, 1935 in Usk Mon. He was the son of 8. Thomas Watkins and 9. Margaret Bill. He married 5. Blanche Eveline Jones June 1901 in Pontypool 11a 279.
5. Blanche Eveline Jones, born June 5, 1874 in Raglan, Monmouthshire (AHW BB 1874); died July 5, 1953 in The Haven Monmouth Road Usk Monmouthshire ?July 5 1953. She was the daughter of 10. Edward Jones and 11. Mary Jones.
6. Alfred Thomas Lapham, born October 15, 1872 in 15 Campbell Street Bristol BS2 8XE Clifton Dec 1872 6a 78; died July 30, 1961 in Sun 1830 Thornbury Hospital (Alison and Norah there) HBW5. He was the son of 12. Alfred Lapham and 13. Fanny Bartley Ball. He met 7. Florence Caroline Evans December 23, 1897 in St Barnabas Church, Ashley Road Barton R Dec 1897 6a 185.
7. Florence Caroline Evans, born June 13, 1877 in St Philips AMW BB RGO Bristol 6d 21 5 Merchant Street; died February 1, 1956. She was the daughter of 14. Philip Evans and 15. Elizabeth Walker.
Generation No. 4
8. Thomas Watkins, born May 4, 1821 in Abergavenny; died March 28, 1879 in Highmead Farm. He was the son of Thomas Watkins and Rebecca Watkins. He married 9. Margaret Bill in St.Davids, Llanarth speculative.
9. Margaret Bill, born April 28, 1822 in AHW BB Llanarth Mon (1891 Census) 13 July Prayer Book; died March 11, 1895 in Ty Mawr farm Pontypool 11a 1246. She was the daughter of Richard Bill and Margaret James.
10. Edward Jones, born January 1842 in Raglan, Mon.; died Abt. July 1900. He was the son of John Jones and Mary Holmes. He married 11. Mary Jones March 1869 in Monmouth 11a 49.
11. Mary Jones, born 1848 in Llanvair Mon; died Abt. May 1887 in Raglan, Monmouthshire. She was the daughter of - and -.
12. Alfred Lapham, born February 23, 1843 in Bristol AMW BB child hand Grandpa; died Unknown. He was the son of Robert Thomas Lapham and Elizabeth Seymour. He married 13. Fanny Bartley Ball September 27, 1868 in St Andrew's church, Montpelier, Bristol Clifton 6a 190.
13. Fanny Bartley Ball, born Abt. 1839 in Pitchcombe Gloucester; died Unknown. She was the daughter of Thomas Buckingham Ball.
14. Philip Evans, born Abt. 1839 in St Philips Bristol; died Aft. 1901. He was the son of Philip Evans and Mary -. He married 15. Elizabeth Walker May 6, 1867 in St Philip and St Jacob Parish Church number 499.
15. Elizabeth Walker, born Abt. 1842 in St Philips Bristol; died Unknown. She was the daughter of James Walker and Eliza Stallard.
generation no 5 (entered by hand)
16 Thomas Watkins and 17 Rebecca (Watkins ?)
18 Richard Bill and 19 Margaret James.
20 John Jones and 21 Mary Holmes
22 Jones 21 unknown
24 Robert Thomas Lapham and 25 Elizabeth Seymour
26 Thomas Buckingham Ball. 27 unknown
28 Philip Evans and 29 Mary unknown
30 James Walker and 31 Eliza Stallard
generation no 6 (entered by hand - also not to be trusted from unchecked secondary sources)
32 Watkins 33
34 35
36 Bill 37
38 James 39
40 John Jones 41 Elizabeth Walters
42 Thomas Holmes 43 Mary Prichard
44 45
46 47
48 Thomas Lapham 49 Hannah Russell
50 Seymour 51
52 Ball 53
54 55
56 Evans 57
58 59
60 Walker 61
62 Stallard 63
generation no 7 (entered by hand)
64 Watkins etc to 127
84 Thomas Holmes 85 Anne Walters
86 William Prichard 87 Anne Williams
generation no 8 (entered by hand)
128 Watkins etc to 255
168 Thomas Holmes 169 Anne Morgan
170 John Walters 171 Mary Jones
172 Thomas Prichard 173 Anne Morgan
these older Lapham on my web tree are totally speculative and unchecked so ommitted here
see Links in side bar
generation no 9
256 a welsh patronymic ? to 511
generation no 10
512 to 1023
generation no 11
1024 etc etc
=================================================================
cousin marriages will cause pedigree collapse
which already occurs with the Holmes Jones Watkins in Monmouthshire above
>> Back in 1985 Alex Shoumatoff wrote an account of kinship and genealogy called
The Mountain of Names, A History of the Human Family
(A Touchstone Book published by Simon & Schuster, Inc., New York.)
He speaks about an amazing paper by Robert C. Gunderson called
Tying Your Pedigree into Royal, Noble and Medieval Families.
Gunderson invented the term ‘pedigree collapse’.
This is a phenomenon which is ubiquitous and makes every genealogist's life a little easier.
When one's pedigree collapses, one has a reducing number of ancestors to search for. Here is how it works.
<<
http://www.generations.on.ca/genealogy/pedigree.htm
=======================================================================
so some individuals will have two or more Ahnentafel numbers
>> A node with Ahnentafel index i occurs at Level b lg i c in the binary tree
<< programmer speak . just google up to 10 words to find more
enjoy
Hugh W
================searches ======================
Ahnentafel indices come to us from genealogists who invented them
for encoding one’s pedigree as a binary, family tree
ahnentafel n.
from Ahnentafel "ancestor chart": a type of chart used in genealogy that uses a particular numbering system for all ancestors of the main person
[German Ahn, Ahne, "ancestor" + Tafel, "table, chart"]. This entry suggested by G. Victor Paulson.
"Ahnentafel Numbers Are not as Mysterious as they Seem", Anneliese Graebner Anderson, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal, Winter 1995, p. 52-53.
"Sosa-Stradonitz System OR Ahnentafel", Richard A. Pence, 1995.
"What is an Ahnentafel?", Allan Gilbertson.
http://germanenglishwords.com/rlga.htm
I googled this string
Ahnentafel history invented
now the OED II cd v 3
no entries fouind
back to google
Ahnentafel dictionary
AHNENLIST
a list of one's accordance with the AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS definition below. ancestors, with the first generation being #1, second #2-3, third #4-7, etc. May be synonymous with AHNENTAFEL.
AHNENTAFEL
[German ancestor table] a list of ancestors numbered in accordance with the system described below in AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS. So-called because it was popularized by Stephen Kekule von Stradonitz in his 1896 book, Ahentafel Atlas.
The system was first used in a book by the Spanish geneologist Jerome de Sosa in 1676.
Translated from the German, "ahnen" means ancestor and "tafel" means table or list; because of this literal translation, ahnentafel is sometime incorrectly used to describe any list of ancestors. - Richard Pence -- richardpence@pipeline.com.
AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS
the universally used method of numbering ancestors.
In it the number 1 is assigned to the subject of the list, then his or her father is No. 2, the mother is No. 3, the paternal grandfather No. 4, etc.
In this system, a person's father's number is always twice the person's number and his or her mother's number is twice-plus-one.
Because of the structured nature of the sytem, a person's ahnentafel number can be used to describe his or her relationship to the subject of the list.
This method of numbering ancestors is used worldwide and is also called the "Sosa-Stradonitz System," after the genealogist who first used it and the one who popularized it (see AHNENTAFEL above)
. This method of numbering ancestors is used both on lists of ancestors or on ancestor charts. - Richard Pence -- richardpence@pipeline.com
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randyj2222/gendict.html
google
"Sosa-Stradonitz System,"
no STOP there Hugh !
=========================================
>>The genealogy reports in Family Tree Maker are based on standardized reports that were created by various genealogical societies. This is the same format used by these genealogical societies, and we tried stay as close to these formats as possible. What seems like a mistake is really an inherent characteristic of the report.
There are three variations of the Genealogy Report:
* Register (Descendant Ordered) The Register format is a descendant-ordered format; it presents information about your family starting with an ancestor and moving forward in time to that individual's descendants. The Register format is the format which is accepted by the New England Historic Genealogical Society, one of the oldest genealogical societies in the country. The Register format dates back to 1870 and is used to establish "pedigree."
* NGS Quarterly (Descendant Ordered) The NGS Quarterly format is also a descendant-ordered format; it presents information about your family starting with an ancestor and moving forward in time to that individual's descendants. The NGS Quarterly format is the preferred genealogical report of the National Genealogical Society. The format dates back to 1912.
* Ahnentafel (Ancestor Ordered) The Ahnentafel format is ancestor-ordered; it starts with one individual and moves backward in time to that individual's ancestors. It's not used as frequently as the other two formats for formal presentations of pedigree because it records two family lines in the same report.<<
Ancestors of Hugh Bartley Watkins
Generation No. 1
1. Hugh Bartley Watkins, born January 7 1936.
He was the son of 2. Alfred Henry (David) Watkins and 3. Alison Mary Lapham. He married (1) Judith Gwladys Thomas Private. She was born February 24, 1938 in AMW BB (Judy) Rugby?, and died Abt. 1998 in London. She was the daughter of Thomas. He married (2) Christine Ann (Chris) Riley Private. She was born Private. She was the daughter of George Patrick Riley and Annie Forrester. He married (3) Inger-Lise Kristoffersen Private. She was born Private. She was the daughter of Knud Mogens Kristoffersen and Elly Elizabeth Thomsen.
Generation No. 2
2. Alfred Henry (David) Watkins, born August 17, 1907 in Usk Monmouthshire1; died September 24, 1942 sinking of HMS Somali. He was the son of 4. Alfred Henry Watkins and 5. Blanche Eveline Jones. He married 3. Alison Mary Lapham December 23, 1933 in Parish Church, Berkswell, Warwickshire.
3. Alison Mary Lapham, born May 16, 1908 in Filton, Gloucestershire UK; died December 22, 1999 in Heartlands Hospital,Bordesley Green, Birmingham, West Midlands UK2. She was the daughter of 6. Alfred Thomas Lapham and 7. Florence Caroline Evans.
Generation No. 3
4. Alfred Henry Watkins, born August 13, 1862 in Llanvair Kilgeddin, Monmouthshire AMW BB; died January 2, 1935 in Usk Mon. He was the son of 8. Thomas Watkins and 9. Margaret Bill. He married 5. Blanche Eveline Jones June 1901 in Pontypool 11a 279.
5. Blanche Eveline Jones, born June 5, 1874 in Raglan, Monmouthshire (AHW BB 1874); died July 5, 1953 in The Haven Monmouth Road Usk Monmouthshire ?July 5 1953. She was the daughter of 10. Edward Jones and 11. Mary Jones.
6. Alfred Thomas Lapham, born October 15, 1872 in 15 Campbell Street Bristol BS2 8XE Clifton Dec 1872 6a 78; died July 30, 1961 in Sun 1830 Thornbury Hospital (Alison and Norah there) HBW5. He was the son of 12. Alfred Lapham and 13. Fanny Bartley Ball. He met 7. Florence Caroline Evans December 23, 1897 in St Barnabas Church, Ashley Road Barton R Dec 1897 6a 185.
7. Florence Caroline Evans, born June 13, 1877 in St Philips AMW BB RGO Bristol 6d 21 5 Merchant Street; died February 1, 1956. She was the daughter of 14. Philip Evans and 15. Elizabeth Walker.
Generation No. 4
8. Thomas Watkins, born May 4, 1821 in Abergavenny; died March 28, 1879 in Highmead Farm. He was the son of Thomas Watkins and Rebecca Watkins. He married 9. Margaret Bill in St.Davids, Llanarth speculative.
9. Margaret Bill, born April 28, 1822 in AHW BB Llanarth Mon (1891 Census) 13 July Prayer Book; died March 11, 1895 in Ty Mawr farm Pontypool 11a 1246. She was the daughter of Richard Bill and Margaret James.
10. Edward Jones, born January 1842 in Raglan, Mon.; died Abt. July 1900. He was the son of John Jones and Mary Holmes. He married 11. Mary Jones March 1869 in Monmouth 11a 49.
11. Mary Jones, born 1848 in Llanvair Mon; died Abt. May 1887 in Raglan, Monmouthshire. She was the daughter of - and -.
12. Alfred Lapham, born February 23, 1843 in Bristol AMW BB child hand Grandpa; died Unknown. He was the son of Robert Thomas Lapham and Elizabeth Seymour. He married 13. Fanny Bartley Ball September 27, 1868 in St Andrew's church, Montpelier, Bristol Clifton 6a 190.
13. Fanny Bartley Ball, born Abt. 1839 in Pitchcombe Gloucester; died Unknown. She was the daughter of Thomas Buckingham Ball.
14. Philip Evans, born Abt. 1839 in St Philips Bristol; died Aft. 1901. He was the son of Philip Evans and Mary -. He married 15. Elizabeth Walker May 6, 1867 in St Philip and St Jacob Parish Church number 499.
15. Elizabeth Walker, born Abt. 1842 in St Philips Bristol; died Unknown. She was the daughter of James Walker and Eliza Stallard.
generation no 5 (entered by hand)
16 Thomas Watkins and 17 Rebecca (Watkins ?)
18 Richard Bill and 19 Margaret James.
20 John Jones and 21 Mary Holmes
22 Jones 21 unknown
24 Robert Thomas Lapham and 25 Elizabeth Seymour
26 Thomas Buckingham Ball. 27 unknown
28 Philip Evans and 29 Mary unknown
30 James Walker and 31 Eliza Stallard
generation no 6 (entered by hand - also not to be trusted from unchecked secondary sources)
32 Watkins 33
34 35
36 Bill 37
38 James 39
40 John Jones 41 Elizabeth Walters
42 Thomas Holmes 43 Mary Prichard
44 45
46 47
48 Thomas Lapham 49 Hannah Russell
50 Seymour 51
52 Ball 53
54 55
56 Evans 57
58 59
60 Walker 61
62 Stallard 63
generation no 7 (entered by hand)
64 Watkins etc to 127
84 Thomas Holmes 85 Anne Walters
86 William Prichard 87 Anne Williams
generation no 8 (entered by hand)
128 Watkins etc to 255
168 Thomas Holmes 169 Anne Morgan
170 John Walters 171 Mary Jones
172 Thomas Prichard 173 Anne Morgan
these older Lapham on my web tree are totally speculative and unchecked so ommitted here
see Links in side bar
generation no 9
256 a welsh patronymic ? to 511
generation no 10
512 to 1023
generation no 11
1024 etc etc
=================================================================
cousin marriages will cause pedigree collapse
which already occurs with the Holmes Jones Watkins in Monmouthshire above
>> Back in 1985 Alex Shoumatoff wrote an account of kinship and genealogy called
The Mountain of Names, A History of the Human Family
(A Touchstone Book published by Simon & Schuster, Inc., New York.)
He speaks about an amazing paper by Robert C. Gunderson called
Tying Your Pedigree into Royal, Noble and Medieval Families.
Gunderson invented the term ‘pedigree collapse’.
This is a phenomenon which is ubiquitous and makes every genealogist's life a little easier.
When one's pedigree collapses, one has a reducing number of ancestors to search for. Here is how it works.
<<
http://www.generations.on.ca/genealogy/pedigree.htm
=======================================================================
so some individuals will have two or more Ahnentafel numbers
>> A node with Ahnentafel index i occurs at Level b lg i c in the binary tree
<< programmer speak . just google up to 10 words to find more
enjoy
Hugh W
================searches ======================
Ahnentafel indices come to us from genealogists who invented them
for encoding one’s pedigree as a binary, family tree
ahnentafel n.
from Ahnentafel "ancestor chart": a type of chart used in genealogy that uses a particular numbering system for all ancestors of the main person
[German Ahn, Ahne, "ancestor" + Tafel, "table, chart"]. This entry suggested by G. Victor Paulson.
"Ahnentafel Numbers Are not as Mysterious as they Seem", Anneliese Graebner Anderson, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal, Winter 1995, p. 52-53.
"Sosa-Stradonitz System OR Ahnentafel", Richard A. Pence, 1995.
"What is an Ahnentafel?", Allan Gilbertson.
http://germanenglishwords.com/rlga.htm
I googled this string
Ahnentafel history invented
now the OED II cd v 3
no entries fouind
back to google
Ahnentafel dictionary
AHNENLIST
a list of one's accordance with the AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS definition below. ancestors, with the first generation being #1, second #2-3, third #4-7, etc. May be synonymous with AHNENTAFEL.
AHNENTAFEL
[German ancestor table] a list of ancestors numbered in accordance with the system described below in AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS. So-called because it was popularized by Stephen Kekule von Stradonitz in his 1896 book, Ahentafel Atlas.
The system was first used in a book by the Spanish geneologist Jerome de Sosa in 1676.
Translated from the German, "ahnen" means ancestor and "tafel" means table or list; because of this literal translation, ahnentafel is sometime incorrectly used to describe any list of ancestors. - Richard Pence -- richardpence@pipeline.com.
AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS
the universally used method of numbering ancestors.
In it the number 1 is assigned to the subject of the list, then his or her father is No. 2, the mother is No. 3, the paternal grandfather No. 4, etc.
In this system, a person's father's number is always twice the person's number and his or her mother's number is twice-plus-one.
Because of the structured nature of the sytem, a person's ahnentafel number can be used to describe his or her relationship to the subject of the list.
This method of numbering ancestors is used worldwide and is also called the "Sosa-Stradonitz System," after the genealogist who first used it and the one who popularized it (see AHNENTAFEL above)
. This method of numbering ancestors is used both on lists of ancestors or on ancestor charts. - Richard Pence -- richardpence@pipeline.com
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randyj2222/gendict.html
"Sosa-Stradonitz System,"
no STOP there Hugh !
=========================================
>>The genealogy reports in Family Tree Maker are based on standardized reports that were created by various genealogical societies. This is the same format used by these genealogical societies, and we tried stay as close to these formats as possible. What seems like a mistake is really an inherent characteristic of the report.
There are three variations of the Genealogy Report:
* Register (Descendant Ordered) The Register format is a descendant-ordered format; it presents information about your family starting with an ancestor and moving forward in time to that individual's descendants. The Register format is the format which is accepted by the New England Historic Genealogical Society, one of the oldest genealogical societies in the country. The Register format dates back to 1870 and is used to establish "pedigree."
* NGS Quarterly (Descendant Ordered) The NGS Quarterly format is also a descendant-ordered format; it presents information about your family starting with an ancestor and moving forward in time to that individual's descendants. The NGS Quarterly format is the preferred genealogical report of the National Genealogical Society. The format dates back to 1912.
* Ahnentafel (Ancestor Ordered) The Ahnentafel format is ancestor-ordered; it starts with one individual and moves backward in time to that individual's ancestors. It's not used as frequently as the other two formats for formal presentations of pedigree because it records two family lines in the same report.<<
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