Saturday, July 10, 2004

dnkcen Site Map aol teases now imap reads but wont send

The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'bloggery',
Server: '', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No,
Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E

AOL Communicator 1 is also unsteady on its feet
- sigh - serverside problems?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Oliver Moritz"
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: AOL does not support imap

> Or you have to use Port 587 for SMTP

"Adam Bailey" wrote in
> If that error message is to be believed, it looks to me like you're
> not using port 587 on the SMTP server. Time to re-read the information
> at Keyword: IMAP.
> --
> Adam Bailey | Chicago, Illinois
> | Finger/Web for PGP & S/MIME
> |


normally I do not edit blogs - well a typo or two
exception here

from news:soc.genealogy.britain

> From: (Jeremy Fox)

> My father has finished revisions to our Vaux/Fox Lineage. He has
> traced our family from our current home in Texas back all the way to
> pre-conquest Normandy. He claims that there are very few people in the
> New World who can trace their ancestry back so far.
> Each spot on the family tree is backed by three pieces of information.
> It actually got easy before a certain period of time because the
> Vaux/Fox's were in Burke's Peerage. An interesting storyline is the
> joint movement of related families (West, Harris, Fox, Lewis) from
> England to Virginia and on. Many of these families are also descended
> from the Norman conquerors, so this is a very Norman family tree. I
> guess my patrilineal ancestors were Danish vikings a long time ago!>

Is your father - or you, for that matter - aware that some earlier
editions of Burke's Peerage were notorious for their inaccuracies and
bogus pedigrees?
These have been well exposed and written about by
eminent genealogists.

The problem was that some nouveau riche industrialists in the
19th century fancied a family tree to go with their newly elevated
social status, rather than admit they had come from humble
backgrounds. Thus, they hired unscrupulous "genealogists" to provide
them with a handsome pedigree back to the Conqueror etc. The
so-called researchers were only too happy to take their money in

Many of these entirely fictitious pedigrees were removed in the early
20th century. I wonder which editions your father looked at?

Roy Stockdill

Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:-
Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:-

One would be in less danger
From the wiles of the stranger
If one's own kin and kith
Were more fun to be with

Ogden Nash
Google Search: who is father baby 3600 grand avenue

problems for future genealogists

Who's the Daddy?

The following are all replies that Dallas women have written on Child
Support Agency forms in the section for listing father's
details. These are genuine excerpts from the forms. Be sure to check
out number 11 b& it takes the prize.

1. Regarding the identity of the father of my twins, child A was
fathered by Jim Munson. I am unsure as to the identity of the father
of child B, but I believe that he was conceived on the same night.

2. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my child as I was
being sick out of a window when taken unexpectedly from behind. I can
provide you with a list of names of men that I think were at the party
if this helps.

3. I do not know the name of the father of my little girl. She was
conceived at a party at 3600 Grand Avenue where I had unprotected sex
with a man I met that night. I do remember that the sex was so good
that I fainted. If you do manage to track down the father, can you send
me his phone number? Thanks.

4. I don't know the identity of the father of my daughter. He drives
a BMW that now has a hole made by my stiletto in one of the door
panels.. Perhaps you can contact BMW service stations in this area and
see if he's had it replaced.

5. I have never had sex with a man. I am awaiting a letter from the
Pope confirming that my son's conception was immaculate and that he is
Christ risen again.

6. I cannot tell you the name of child A's dad as he informs me that
to do so would blow his cover and that would have cataclysmic
implications for the economy. I am torn between doing right by you and
right by the country. Please advise.

7. I do not know who the father of my child was as all men look the
same to me

8. Peter Smith is the father of child A. If you do catch up with him,
can you ask him what he did with my AC/DC CDs?

9. From the dates it seems that my daughter was conceived at Disney
World; maybe it really is the Magic Kingdom.

10. So much about that night is a blur. The only thing that I
remember for sure is Delia Smith did a program about eggs earlier in
the evening. If I'd have stayed in and watched more TV rather than
going to the party at 146 Miller Drive, mine might have remained

11. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my baby; after
all, when you eat a can of beans you can't be sure which one made you

Who's the daddy?
in Danish with Søndagsavisen
Brother Cadfael: "Brother Cadfael's Chronicles" truth or fiction?

Google Search: "Brother Cadfael"

Brother Cadfael is a fictional character, the detective in a series of murder mysteries by Edith Pargeter

Brother Cadfael - encyclopedia article about Brother Cadfael. . What does Brother Cadfael mean? What is Brother Cadfael? Provided by the Free Online Encyclopedia.

Edith Mary Pargeter (September 28, 1913 - October 14, 1995) was a prolific British author of works in many categories, especially history and historical fiction, and was also honored for her translations of Czech classics; she is probably best known for her murder mysteries, both historical and modern.

Born in the village of Horsehay (Shropshire, England), she had Welsh ancestry, and many of her short stories and books (both fictional and non-fictional) were set in Wales and its borderlands.

writing under the name "Ellis Peters."

Cadfael is a Benedictine

The longest lasting of the western Catholic monastic orders, the Benedictine Order traces its origins to the adoption of the monastic life by St. Benedict of Nursia (Norcia) in 529.

Benedict, founder of the monastery of Monte Cassino between Naples and Rome, wrote a "Rule" or plan of life for his monastery that remains an influence on monasticism today, the Rule of St Benedict. His sister, Saint Scholastica, founded the women's order at the monastery.

..... Click the link for more information.
all sorts of pop up windows

monk, the herbalist at an abbey An abbey (from the Latin abbatia, which is derived from the Syriac abba, "father"), is a Christian monastery or convent, under the government of an Abbot or an Abbess, who serve as the spiritual father or mother of the community. A priory only differed from an abbey in that the superior bore the name of prior instead of abbot. Priories were originally offshoots from the larger abbeys, to the abbots of which they continued subordinate; however, the actual distinction between abbeys and priories was lost by the Renaissance.
..... Click the link for more information. in Shrewsbury, Shropshire This article is about the town of Shrewsbury in England.

For other places of the same name, see Shrewsbury (disambiguation)


Shrewsbury (pronounced both Shroozbury and Shrozebury) is the principal town in the county of Shropshire, England. It may have been founded by the Romans who had the city of Viroconium (Wroxeter) nearby. It is also the main town in Shrewsbury and Atcham district.

, see Wales (disambiguation)

Wales (Welsh: Cymru; pronounced /"k@mrI/ 'Kumree', ) is one of the nations that forms the United Kingdom. (The term 'Principality of Wales', Welsh: 'Tywysogaeth Cymru', though often used, is rejected by many in Wales, the Prince of Wales having no role in the governance of Wales.)

..... Click the link for more information. border. Cadfael himself is of Welsh extraction. The stories are set between about 1135

Stephen becomes King of England.
Owain Gwynedd of Wales defeats the Normans at Crug Mawr.
The domination of Baghdad by the Seljuk Turks ends

also sorts of drop down stuff copy pasted


Construction begins on Notre-Dame d'Chartres in Chartres, France
Korean historian Kim Pusik compiled the historical text Samguk Sagi.

, during the civil war

The Anarchy in English history commonly names the period of civil war and unsettled government that occurred during the reign (1135 - 1154) of King Stephen of England. Stephen was a favourite nephew of King Henry I of England (reigned 1100 - 1135), whose only legitimate son died in 1120 in the "White Ship" disaster. Henry then named his daughter, Matilda, known as Empress Maud, as heir to his throne. He forced his barons, including Stephen, to swear allegiance to her several times, but it went against the grain -- no woman had ever ruled over all England in her own right. To make matters worse, Mathilda had married Geoffrey of Anjou, who did not enjoy a good reputation in England.

between the forces of King Stephen
Stephen (1096 - October 25, 1154), the last Norman King of England, reigned from 1135 to 1154, when he was succeeded by his cousin (or, as the gossip of the time had it, his natural son) Henry II, the first of the Angevin or Plantagenet Kings.

Stephen was born at Blois in France, the son of Stephen, Count of Blois, and Adela, daughter of King William I of England. He became Count of Mortain in about 1115, and married Matilda, daughter of the Count of Boulogne, in about 1125.

and Empress Maud Empress Maud (February 7, 1102 - September 10, 1169) is the title by which Matilda, daughter and dispossessed heir of King Henry I of England and his wife Maud of Scotland (herself daughter of Malcolm III Canmore and St. Margaret of Scotland), is known, in order to differentiate her from the many other Matildas of the period. Matilda is the Latin form of the name "Maud" (or "Maude").

Maud was christened Adelaide, but took her mother's name of Matilda when she married for the first time, on January 7, 1114. Her first husband was Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor, but the marriage was childless and Henry died in 1125. In 1128, she was married again, at Le Mans in Anjou, to Geoffrey of Anjou, who was eleven years her junior. He was nicknamed "Plantagenet" from the broom flower

. Cadfael became a monk in middle age, after going on Crusade

This article is about the Crusades, the series of European military campaigns.

The Crusades were a series of several military campaigns sanctioned by the Papacy that took place during the 11th through 13th centuries.

They began as Catholic endeavors to capture Jerusalem from the Muslims but developed into territorial wars.

Later crusades were called against the remaining pagan nations of Europe such as the Polabians and Lithuania, and against heresy, such as the crusade against Bohemia, 1418-1437 (see Northern Crusades).
, and is more familiar with the secular world than most of his brother monks.
In addition, his personality more reflects modern attitudes and ethics than his own time which often puts him in conflict with his brethen on matters of justice and conscience.

crazy hypertext
RootsWeb/ Merger Poll--Family Tree Magazine: "The Web's oldest and largest genealogy community, RootsWeb at, was bought out this summer by at, a commercial network of family history sites.

Hosting thousands of independent Web sites, mailing lists and message boards (not to mention unlimited storage capacity) got to be too much for RootsWeb to handle, its co-founder Karen Isaacson says. the company that also owns and stepped in with an undisclosed sum to 'provide the financial stability we need to ensure RootsWeb will be around for years to come,' Isaacson adds. While assuring users that RootsWeb access and sites will continue to be free, officials also say owning the hugely popular RootsWeb will provide profitable exposure to its many subscription-only databases and records.

Officials from both companies say the merger will provide online genealogists with more tools, content and resources. RootsWeb also will continue supporting major projects such as the USGenWeb Project and the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild."

The reason I supported RootsWeb was because it did not sell my research. It was free to all. Most want your research for "free" so they can "sell" it. It does ruin the grassroots spirit. More people are likly to find your research when it is free, thereby your information can be received by more.


I certainly wouldn't work at Wal-Mart for free. Why should anybody work for and its rich venture capitalists (Eastman Kodak Company, America Online, Compaq Computer Corporation, Intel, and others) for free? Does anybody really believe that these venture capitalists expect no return on investment in

And why are RootsWeb list owners being treated like children and threatened if they dare to make comments about the acquisition? First the Ancestry/RootsWeb behavior was sneaky. Now it is ominously authoritarian.


and lots more on the URL above, Inc. - Press Releases

at least there is a date June 21, 2000

Family Tree Magazine August 2004

RootsWeb's HelpDesk Index: "Mail Lists:
One of RootsWeb's mailing list servers is temporarily offline. We have no time estimate for the repairs.
Mail bound for mailing lists hosted on the problematic server will be spooled (queued) at our mail hub in the interim. It is not envisaged that any mail will be lost. "
Google Search: 750 + 674 + 1571 + 1735: "750 + 674 + 1 571 + 1 735 = 4 730
More about calculator."
white and yellow pages
sven petersen
750 resultater (30) sider
Søgt på: sven petersen
for example

674 resultater (27) sider
Søgt på: svend petersen

1571 resultater (63) sider
Søgt på: svend pedersen

1735 resultater (70) sider
Søgt på: sven pedersen

just needed a quick sum so I used the google tool bar
from my email

I always thought that it was impossible to send e-mails with attachments
through Rootsweb - yet this from you arrived in my Inbox plus an

Nancy McLaughlin
Loburn, NZ

Westmorland Will Abstracts :
Kirkby Stephen Parish Registers:
My ORTON Archive:

these attachments are copy paste artifacts within MS Outlook Express
and occur regularly in my postings

X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409

because although the default is firmly set at txt MS OE doesn't care

I am not to keen on tribal pages
but Nancy's are the best I have seen yet
Charts: Family | Ancestor | Descendant | Ahnentafel

this is why I do not use tribal pages :-
Your search - James ORTON 1784 Colburn, Hipswell - did not match any documents.
Google Search: James ORTON 1784 Colburn, Hipswell
the search string copy pasted from tribal pages wihich are clearly DEEP WEB

but he turns up here
Google Search: "James ORTON" 1784

Google Search: TRIBAL PAGEs

Google Search: TRIBAL PAGES orton

TribalPages:Free Online Genealogy Family Tree Web Pages is the home for over 25,000 Family Tree Genealogy sites with over 7 Million names and 270,000 photographs

but who pays ?

But, there may come a time when we may start charging, but as of now there are no such plans. In that case we will let you know well in advance. Anyway, you can always Backup and download your tree (as a GEDCOM file) at any time. GEDCOM is a standard format that can be imported into most commercially available Family Tree software products. Hence if you do choose to leave TribalPages, you can take your Tree with you. Your hard work will not be lost.

bit like the GeoCities story - it also used to be free

posted to all five blogs tonight
not before time

otherewise scanning and clearing out old newspapers
Berlingske Tidende

Velkommen inden for i Circus Mathematicus
08.07.04 03:30 | Livets regler ligger gemt her: I matematikken mine damer og herrer. DTU er rammen om den 10. internationale matematikkonference, der byder på spændende foredrag, studie- og diskussiongrupper og ikke mindst et besøg i det matematiske cirkus.

and great pictures from the Royal Progress round Greenland

and a map of Africa with all the new States names which I should memorize - cut out for the fridge door

There is discussion of the STRAND CANON
the books for the beach
TONIGHT: �Future Sound of Jazz� at Øksnehallen... - Copenhagen Jazz Festival 2004

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last chance
Jan & Jane - Photos :: Fisketorvet: "Images from the Geomag Shop in the Fisketorvet Shopping Center in Copenhagen, Denmark. "

Friday, July 09, 2004

DIVORCE AND THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS (MORMONS): "It found that about 26% of both Mormons and non-Mormons had experienced at least one divorce at some time during their life.

This simple statistic obscures an interesting factor: Mormons who marry fellow believers have an extremely low divorce rate: 'A 1993 study published in Demography [magazine] showed that Mormons marrying within their church are least likely of all Americans to become divorced. Only 13 percent of LDS couples have divorced after five years of marriage, compared with 20 percent for religiously homogamist unions among Catholics and Protestants and 27 percent among Jews. However, when a Mormon marries outside his or her denomination, the divorce rate soars to 40 percent -- second only to mixed-faith marriages involving a Jewish spouse (42 percent).' 8 One might speculate that the religious and cultural differences between Mormons and non-Mormons (and between Jews and non-Jews) is often so great that the chances of a successful, harmonious marriage is much reduced."
LDS Temple Marriage: "Unlike the majority of Christian religions, which teach that marriage is only an earthly institution, Mormonism maintains that marriage bonds were intended to survive the grave. The survival of the marriage relationship in the afterlife is a necessary condition for exaltation, considered 'the greatest of all the gifts of God.' Exaltation is a state in which faithful, resurrected LDS become joint-heirs with Jesus Christ, thereby receiving the fullness of the glory of God the Father and becoming Gods themselves, who will one day create and populate worlds of their own. This somewhat unorthodox view of marriage was revealed through the Prophet Joseph Smith and is recorded in the current edition of the Doctrine and Covenants, section 135."

• • • The Current LDS Marriage Ritual• • •

As with other LDS rituals, this ceremony may be performed for either the living or the dead. When performed by proxy, it is used to "seal" deceased married members of the LDS Church to each other for time and eternity, while for the living it serves as the current marriage ceremony.

This ceremony is performed in a "Sealing Room." The room has an altar in its center with kneeling cushions on each side. At the head of the altar are two seats for the "Witnesses." Their signatures will appear on the temple’s marriage certificate. Others attending the ceremony stand about the room on either side of the altar. The Officiator who performs the sealing stands at the head of the alt

LDS Temple Endowment Homepage

After reading the Mormon scriptures, I put Mormonism to the test. I prayed several times to learn whether the Church was "true," and received no answer at all. The only "answer" that made any sense to me was that Mormonism--however appealing--was not what it represented itself to be.

this is the naive use of prayer as a tool not as a spiritual exercise
I did that myself as a child

the temple endowment answers the "terrible questions," i.e.,
Where did I come from?
Why am I here?
And Where will I go when this life is over?

LOL found in all societies but not terrible if faced.

Good-bye to God by Steve Benson

I think the good LDS do is far outwieghs the mistakes made by individual members
and their contribution to world culture should not be underestimated

The come and join us syndrome is common to all new churches
and is saddens me to see atheists who have progressed to another philosophical position
still carrying that baggage with them

Liberty and Democracy embaces the rights of individuals to their own private views on religion
freedom means freedom to be different - or even to be a "cult" member.
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Along Those Lines: "Five Things to Learn about Your Library"
by George G. Morgan

Your library is a different place than it was when you were growing
up. The "Information Age" was accelerated by the introduction of the
Internet to the public and its explosive growth more than a decade
ago. Libraries rose to the challenge and now are technology sites,
providing access to the Internet for millions of people. Libraries
also offer access to databases, electronic media, and "traditional"
resources such as printed books, periodicals, serials, and
microfilmed materials.

As libraries have grown and have expanded their scope of access, not
all of us have grown with them. If you think you know the difference
between a card in the old card catalog drawer and its electronic
replacement in the online catalog, that's terrific. But if you're not
a regular library customer--what used to be referred to as a patron--
you may not know how to use the library very well at all.

In "Along Those Lines..." this week, let's explore five things that
you should learn about your library in order to take advantage of all
it has to offer.

The online library catalog, in most areas of the U.S. and in many
other places around the world, has replaced the old wooden cabinet of
drawers containing typed cards. It is an essential access point into
the collections of any library or archive, and it operates much like
an Internet search engine. An electronic catalog provides much more
flexibility in quickly locating materials in the library's
collection. First of all, you can search the catalog in multiple

AUTHOR. Enter the author's name and search for all materials produced
by this author. Some catalogs allow you to enter a partial name or to
use "wild card" characters to replace letters you're not sure of.

TITLE. Enter the title of the work that you want to locate.

KEYWORD. This option is great if you're not sure of the exact title
or if you want to find all the materials with one or more words
included in the title. Enter one or more words that might appear in
the title, such as:
carolina marriage
Entering these two words produces a search results list that includes
all books for North and South Carolina with the word marriage in the
title, such as "Marriage Records," "Marriage Bonds," and "Marriage
and Death Records."

SUBJECT. Every item in the electronic catalog is assigned to one or
more subject areas. Samples might include "genealogy," "American
history," "religion," "Germany," "botany," and many others. If you
want to see every item in a library's collection about genealogy, try
this one!

Some electronic catalogs provide other options that might include
such choices as a Quick Search (search using a keyword that might
appear in either the title, the subject references, or both), a Call
Number search (list all the items in the 929 area of the collection--
more on these numbers will follow in the section on organization),
the ISBN/ISSN number, the barcode, or some other numeric
classification), or an Audio/Visual search (search only videotapes,
audiotapes, music CDs, DVDs, or eBooks).

Online catalogs make it possible to access the catalog from anywhere.
Certainly they are accessible from the many computers inside one
library or all the libraries in a system, but the catalogs are also
often embedded in a library's website. This allows you to access the
catalog at any hour of the day from any computer with access to the

There are many software companies that offer their own electronic
catalogs, so there are going to be differences in appearance, in the
number of search options, and in the way the search results are
displayed. Some even allow you to save your searches and to print or
e-mail them. Check with your librarian if you have questions or if
you need help to fine-tune your use of this tool.

The online catalog allows you to determine what materials are in a
facility's collection and where they are located. Most public
libraries use the Dewey Decimal Classification (DDC); most academic
libraries use the Library of Congress (LC) classification system.
Let's focus, though, on the public library.

A public library typically uses DDC in order to provide structure for
filing the materials. This system uses high-level numbers 000, 100,
200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, and 900 to separate large groups
of nonfiction materials. Most genealogists concentrate their research
in the 900s, although we also use dictionaries from the 400s,
literature from the 800s, and other resources around the library.
Within each of the "hundreds" are subcategories or subclasses that
group materials at a more granular level. For instance, within the
900s is the familiar (to genealogists) 929 area, which contains
genealogy, names, and insignia. A good reference for the complete DDC
can be accessed at .

Not all genealogy collections are classified and not all materials
are filed alike, however. Some libraries adhere strictly to the DDC
system. That means that there will be items of interest filed in the
929s, of course, but there also will be materials of interest to your
research filed separately. For example, you will find state materials
also filed in one of the following areas:

- 973 General history of North America United States
- 974 General history of North America Northeastern United States
- 975 General history of North America Southeastern United States
- 976 General history of North America South central United States
- 977 General history of North America North central United States
- 978 General history of North America Western United States

Therefore, you may have to search in both the 929s and the 970s in
order to locate reference books for Kentucky. Periodicals may be
filed separately as well.

Your library's genealogy collection may, however, be organized
differently--in what is referred to as a "modified Dewey" system. In
order to bring materials from different geographical areas together,
some libraries have cataloged (and labeled) materials for each area
together. That means that you may actually find all of the materials
for the British Isles shelved or grouped together. Some libraries
also interfile the periodicals with the books.

Each library, despite the use of the DDC, may therefore have
cataloged and filed its collection a little differently. It behooves
you to invest the time talking to the reference librarian to
understand right away how the specific library's collection is
organized. Oh, and by the way, not everything is cataloged. For
instance, you may find that the maps, photographs, and the disparate
contents of the vertical files (loose papers in folders in the file
cabinets) may not even be included in the catalog. Therefore, be sure
to ask for guidance on the contents and location of these materials
within the collection.

As you can see, you might easily miss some important research items
if you don't take the time to learn how the collection is organized.
You know about that old word--ASSUME--don't you?

Whenever you visit a library, look for the free handouts that
librarians refer to as "pathfinders." These handy little reference
flyers can tell you a great deal about how the collection is
organized, where materials are located (maps of the library or a
collection), and "how to" instructions for conducting specific
research. The Tampa library, for example, has more than twenty
pathfinders specifically relating to the genealogical collection that
include: table of U.S. federal census microfilm holdings, listing of
the ships' passenger list microfilm, locating and working with
military records, and how to get started with your African American
research. They also offer other pathfinders in the collection
relating to the DDC, Interlibrary Loan, and other topics. The library
in Vero Beach, Florida, offers fifty-five pathfinders, and the one in
Ft. Myers maintains a binder of more than 200 pathfinders that you
can photocopy. Libraries may also place some or all of their
pathfinders online at their websites, often in PDF file format. I
collect these pathfinders and maintain a reference binder by subject.

An often overlooked and very underused library resource is the
collection of subscription databases. Libraries may also refer to
their collection of databases as the "Information Gateway." As a
genealogist, I use all sorts of databases, including Ancestry's Library
Service (check with your local library for availability) and other
"genealogy specific" databases. However, I also use a number of
general databases available from my Tampa-Hillsborough Public
Library System on a regular basis: Gale's Ready Reference Shelf (for
government agencies), InfoPlease Almanac, Biographical Dictionary,
bigchalk Library, Info Trac, Digital Sanborn Maps, Biography Resource
Center, and others. Don't limit yourself to just the genealogy
databases when there is so very much more information available.
Take the time to learn what databases are available and how to
access them!

I've written a number of columns over the years concerning
Interlibrary Loan (ILL), a service that gives library customers
access to the holdings of other libraries. (See "Secrets of
Interlibrary Loan" at: )

ILL allows you to initiate a request through your own library to
borrow books. However, since most genealogical materials are non-
circulating, an ILL request can be used to obtain copies of pages
from a book (index and/or text) or a document, and have the owning
library send them to your local library. It also is a method of
borrowing books or microfilmed materials for use at your own library,
usually under certain conditions or for a small fee.

If you don't know about ILL and want to extend your research reach
and range, all you have to do is locate the item in another library's
online catalog, and then ask your library to initiate an ILL request
for you. Ask your library about the ILL services they provide, their
policies, and about any costs associated with the service.

So you thought you knew everything there is to know about libraries!
Well, there are lots of secrets for getting the most out of your
library. Cookies make a good librarian bribe--or "thank you!"
However, as you can see, there are new and different library
resources that you may not be using at all or to their fullest
extent. Spend some time visiting and getting to know your library.
It's a great resource, always changing and growing. Don't think that
the Internet is the end-all resource, because it certainly isn't.
Librarians are "information brokers," and are there to employ their
research expertise and to assist you. Visit your library soon!

Happy Hunting!

George is president and a proud member of the International Society
of Family History Writers and Editors. Visit the ISFHWE website at: . Visit George's website at for information about speaking

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Google Search: "International Genealogical Index"

I must admit I hardly ever use the IGI
so far I have found a chain of original resources fro my own research

more help Guildhall Library Manuscripts Section - International Genealogical Index

FamilySearch Internet - Search IGI

1901 England and Wales Census Decoder

John Burns (40+) lives in Suffolk, England.
"Ran away to sea as a 16 year old to work for a U.S. oil major as a deck apprentice, came ashore after a few years to "temporarily" assist in the office looking after foreign crew.

Eventually side-stepped into looking after the computer systems for both ship and shore establishments.
Has been there ever since and now works for the same company from home supporting the vessel's navigational, communication and computer systems.

Bought his first computer in the late 1970's, built a sophisticated stock control system in 64KB of memory running CP/M and has not looked back since. Has developed many applications since including this one. Runs his own web server hosting a number of sites including the support site for this software and the Lancashire Surname Site at

Interests range mainly around computers & electronics, genealogy and a good book!"

His decoder reassembles 1901 census pages
but does not decode the person id numbers

Wednesday, July 07, 2004

The Multiracial Activist - August 12, 1942 Letter to Walter Plecker Regarding Melungeon Classification

for AOL Genealogy Community (Keyword to: aol://4344:3120.genchat.2111073.770225942)
AOL USAA has just moved the genealogy to AOL Research & Learn: Learning Community
from Family

there are about 50 experience genealogists who host the chat on various themes

times are New York about 5 or 6 hours after Europe

Tuesday, July 06, 2004

Cheshire, England Genealogy Links: Genealogy in Cheshire.

an excellent resource for the county
found by a search string
Google Search: Cheshire board or list or FHS

Google said - Lowercase "or" was ignored. Try "OR" to search for either of two terms Google Help Advanced Search Made Easy
fun pages in Swedish
Snorre Sturlason

Snorre Sturlasson, (isl. Snorri Sturluson),

Snorre Sturlasson - WikipediaAXW


Google Search: "Snorri Sturluson"

Heimskringla (DL SunSITE)

Heimskringla: The Ynglinga Saga

The Chronicle of the Kings of Norway
The Ynglinga Saga,
The Story of the Yngling Family from Odin to Halfdan the Black

Monday, July 05, 2004

Numbering Systems In Genealogy - Richard Pence: "

Ancestor Numbering Systems
Sosa-Stradonitz System or Ahnentafel
Descendant Numbering Systems
The Register System
The Record System or Modified Register System
The Henry System
The D'Aboville System
Modified Henry Systems
The de Villiers/Pama System
Other Variations
Combined Numbering Systems
Numbering Systems in Commonly Used Genealogical Software

The Last Word on Numbering Systems "
Numbering Systems In Genealogy - Last Word on Numbering Systems

Change for change sake is a pain in the neck as far as I am concerned. I do not like to waste my valuable research time trying to figure out how another enterprising author dreamed up the 'ultimate numbering system.'"

I like automation best
Ancestry Message Boards [ Genealogical Numbering System ]:

This Genealogical Numbering System Board is one of the more than 300
I adminster

It was an orphan so in totally ignorence I adopted it

Ahnentafels as IDs, Sharon Carmack : Kaiwen Lee -- 28 Jun 2004

led to me learning more about genealogy

Do you care to VOLUNTEER
Google suggests 40,900 VACANCIES from for "become an admin".

Google Search: "become an admin"

refine it
by adding a SURNAME
or a TOPIC


less then 30 messages in 5 years

My biggest is
Boards > Localities > United Kingdom and Ireland > England > Warwickshire > General (3733 messages)

which is my birth county
and so I have local knowledge but no ancestors

I recieve an email every day MY NOTIFICATIONS telling me what to check out

I use List Messages By: Date (expanded)
to see what is new

only 2 or 3 messages daily in the summer

Date: 29 May 1998 12:00 PM GMT ]

Google Search: "become an admin" surnames

Google Search: "become an admin" localities

Google Search: "become an admin" topics

Ancestry Message Boards [ Genealogists ]

has already ben adopted
but google lags behind reality sometimes

Spoof Email Tutorial - Page 1: "Report Spoof Email by Forwarding It to"

Due to recent activity, including possible unauthorized listings placed on your account, we will require a second confirmation of your identity with us in order to allow us to investigate this matter further.Your account is not suspended, but if in 48 hours after you receive this message your account is not confirmed we reserve the right to suspend your eBay registration
etc etc just never had an account there
from my mailbox
>>cousin marriages will cause pedigree collapse

Aha! Anesammenfald!
You just have to wait long enough and someone comes up with a word you are looking for.

Re Snorri Sturlison
In denmark we say Snorre Sturlason, but which is right I dont know.

no time today to google for a consensus of search library catalogues for a consensus

You know Snorri was a genealogist too

Sunday, July 04, 2004

Google Search: soc.genealogy.britain: "Bastards in 1881 (was Funny Census Entries (1851) (16 articles)"

genealogy has its lighter side

"phil" wrote in message news:40e7c7d6$0$6446$
> <> > > How he stood still
> > > > long
> > > > enough to have 4 kids I don't know.
> > >
> > > perhaps someone needs to explain to you that it's not about
> > > standing, exactly....
> >
> > Not heard of a knee-trembler? :-)
> *everyone* knows you can't get pregnant standing up.....
> Amanda>
> LOL .......... there goes my coffee on the keyboard!
> phil

An adage once believed by many who now answer to Mum.
Helsingør church books and more

this page was deleted by TDC so I made a safety copy from Googles cache
Arapacana Press: "Strange" genealogy books: "John R. Mayer, a noted genealogist and author, suffered an untimely death early in 1998. At that time, much of his lifetime of work was yet to be published. Arapacana Press is in the process of publishing limited editions of each one of his books and making them available to genealogy libraries and individual researchers."
Shorter example of an auto generated AHNENTAFEL made in FTM 11 privatised and edited

Ancestors of Hugh Bartley Watkins

Generation No. 1

1. Hugh Bartley Watkins, born January 7 1936.

He was the son of 2. Alfred Henry (David) Watkins and 3. Alison Mary Lapham. He married (1) Judith Gwladys Thomas Private. She was born February 24, 1938 in AMW BB (Judy) Rugby?, and died Abt. 1998 in London. She was the daughter of Thomas. He married (2) Christine Ann (Chris) Riley Private. She was born Private. She was the daughter of George Patrick Riley and Annie Forrester. He married (3) Inger-Lise Kristoffersen Private. She was born Private. She was the daughter of Knud Mogens Kristoffersen and Elly Elizabeth Thomsen.

Generation No. 2

2. Alfred Henry (David) Watkins, born August 17, 1907 in Usk Monmouthshire1; died September 24, 1942 sinking of HMS Somali. He was the son of 4. Alfred Henry Watkins and 5. Blanche Eveline Jones. He married 3. Alison Mary Lapham December 23, 1933 in Parish Church, Berkswell, Warwickshire.

3. Alison Mary Lapham, born May 16, 1908 in Filton, Gloucestershire UK; died December 22, 1999 in Heartlands Hospital,Bordesley Green, Birmingham, West Midlands UK2. She was the daughter of 6. Alfred Thomas Lapham and 7. Florence Caroline Evans.

Generation No. 3

4. Alfred Henry Watkins, born August 13, 1862 in Llanvair Kilgeddin, Monmouthshire AMW BB; died January 2, 1935 in Usk Mon. He was the son of 8. Thomas Watkins and 9. Margaret Bill. He married 5. Blanche Eveline Jones June 1901 in Pontypool 11a 279.

5. Blanche Eveline Jones, born June 5, 1874 in Raglan, Monmouthshire (AHW BB 1874); died July 5, 1953 in The Haven Monmouth Road Usk Monmouthshire ?July 5 1953. She was the daughter of 10. Edward Jones and 11. Mary Jones.

6. Alfred Thomas Lapham, born October 15, 1872 in 15 Campbell Street Bristol BS2 8XE Clifton Dec 1872 6a 78; died July 30, 1961 in Sun 1830 Thornbury Hospital (Alison and Norah there) HBW5. He was the son of 12. Alfred Lapham and 13. Fanny Bartley Ball. He met 7. Florence Caroline Evans December 23, 1897 in St Barnabas Church, Ashley Road Barton R Dec 1897 6a 185.

7. Florence Caroline Evans, born June 13, 1877 in St Philips AMW BB RGO Bristol 6d 21 5 Merchant Street; died February 1, 1956. She was the daughter of 14. Philip Evans and 15. Elizabeth Walker.

Generation No. 4

8. Thomas Watkins, born May 4, 1821 in Abergavenny; died March 28, 1879 in Highmead Farm. He was the son of Thomas Watkins and Rebecca Watkins. He married 9. Margaret Bill in St.Davids, Llanarth speculative.

9. Margaret Bill, born April 28, 1822 in AHW BB Llanarth Mon (1891 Census) 13 July Prayer Book; died March 11, 1895 in Ty Mawr farm Pontypool 11a 1246. She was the daughter of Richard Bill and Margaret James.

10. Edward Jones, born January 1842 in Raglan, Mon.; died Abt. July 1900. He was the son of John Jones and Mary Holmes. He married 11. Mary Jones March 1869 in Monmouth 11a 49.
11. Mary Jones, born 1848 in Llanvair Mon; died Abt. May 1887 in Raglan, Monmouthshire. She was the daughter of - and -.

12. Alfred Lapham, born February 23, 1843 in Bristol AMW BB child hand Grandpa; died Unknown. He was the son of Robert Thomas Lapham and Elizabeth Seymour. He married 13. Fanny Bartley Ball September 27, 1868 in St Andrew's church, Montpelier, Bristol Clifton 6a 190.
13. Fanny Bartley Ball, born Abt. 1839 in Pitchcombe Gloucester; died Unknown. She was the daughter of Thomas Buckingham Ball.

14. Philip Evans, born Abt. 1839 in St Philips Bristol; died Aft. 1901. He was the son of Philip Evans and Mary -. He married 15. Elizabeth Walker May 6, 1867 in St Philip and St Jacob Parish Church number 499.

15. Elizabeth Walker, born Abt. 1842 in St Philips Bristol; died Unknown. She was the daughter of James Walker and Eliza Stallard.

generation no 5 (entered by hand)

16 Thomas Watkins and 17 Rebecca (Watkins ?)

18 Richard Bill and 19 Margaret James.

20 John Jones and 21 Mary Holmes

22 Jones 21 unknown

24 Robert Thomas Lapham and 25 Elizabeth Seymour

26 Thomas Buckingham Ball. 27 unknown

28 Philip Evans and 29 Mary unknown

30 James Walker and 31 Eliza Stallard

generation no 6 (entered by hand - also not to be trusted from unchecked secondary sources)

32 Watkins 33

34 35

36 Bill 37

38 James 39

40 John Jones 41 Elizabeth Walters

42 Thomas Holmes 43 Mary Prichard

44 45

46 47

48 Thomas Lapham 49 Hannah Russell

50 Seymour 51

52 Ball 53

54 55

56 Evans 57

58 59

60 Walker 61

62 Stallard 63

generation no 7 (entered by hand)

64 Watkins etc to 127

84 Thomas Holmes 85 Anne Walters

86 William Prichard 87 Anne Williams

generation no 8 (entered by hand)
128 Watkins etc to 255

168 Thomas Holmes 169 Anne Morgan

170 John Walters 171 Mary Jones

172 Thomas Prichard 173 Anne Morgan

these older Lapham on my web tree are totally speculative and unchecked so ommitted here
see Links in side bar

generation no 9

256 a welsh patronymic ? to 511

generation no 10
512 to 1023

generation no 11
1024 etc etc


cousin marriages will cause pedigree collapse
which already occurs with the Holmes Jones Watkins in Monmouthshire above

>> Back in 1985 Alex Shoumatoff wrote an account of kinship and genealogy called
The Mountain of Names, A History of the Human Family
(A Touchstone Book published by Simon & Schuster, Inc., New York.)

He speaks about an amazing paper by Robert C. Gunderson called
Tying Your Pedigree into Royal, Noble and Medieval Families.

Gunderson invented the term ‘pedigree collapse’.
This is a phenomenon which is ubiquitous and makes every genealogist's life a little easier.
When one's pedigree collapses, one has a reducing number of ancestors to search for. Here is how it works.


so some individuals will have two or more Ahnentafel numbers

>> A node with Ahnentafel index i occurs at Level b lg i c in the binary tree
<< programmer speak . just google up to 10 words to find more


Hugh W

================searches ======================
Ahnentafel indices come to us from genealogists who invented them
for encoding one’s pedigree as a binary, family tree

ahnentafel n.

from Ahnentafel "ancestor chart": a type of chart used in genealogy that uses a particular numbering system for all ancestors of the main person

[German Ahn, Ahne, "ancestor" + Tafel, "table, chart"]. This entry suggested by G. Victor Paulson.

"Ahnentafel Numbers Are not as Mysterious as they Seem", Anneliese Graebner Anderson, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal, Winter 1995, p. 52-53.

"Sosa-Stradonitz System OR Ahnentafel", Richard A. Pence, 1995.
"What is an Ahnentafel?", Allan Gilbertson.

I googled this string
Ahnentafel history invented

now the OED II cd v 3
no entries fouind

back to google

Ahnentafel dictionary

a list of one's accordance with the AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS definition below. ancestors, with the first generation being #1, second #2-3, third #4-7, etc. May be synonymous with AHNENTAFEL.

[German ancestor table] a list of ancestors numbered in accordance with the system described below in AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS. So-called because it was popularized by Stephen Kekule von Stradonitz in his 1896 book, Ahentafel Atlas.

The system was first used in a book by the Spanish geneologist Jerome de Sosa in 1676.

Translated from the German, "ahnen" means ancestor and "tafel" means table or list; because of this literal translation, ahnentafel is sometime incorrectly used to describe any list of ancestors. - Richard Pence --

the universally used method of numbering ancestors.

In it the number 1 is assigned to the subject of the list, then his or her father is No. 2, the mother is No. 3, the paternal grandfather No. 4, etc.

In this system, a person's father's number is always twice the person's number and his or her mother's number is twice-plus-one.

Because of the structured nature of the sytem, a person's ahnentafel number can be used to describe his or her relationship to the subject of the list.

This method of numbering ancestors is used worldwide and is also called the "Sosa-Stradonitz System," after the genealogist who first used it and the one who popularized it (see AHNENTAFEL above)

. This method of numbering ancestors is used both on lists of ancestors or on ancestor charts. - Richard Pence --

"Sosa-Stradonitz System,"

no STOP there Hugh !

>>The genealogy reports in Family Tree Maker are based on standardized reports that were created by various genealogical societies. This is the same format used by these genealogical societies, and we tried stay as close to these formats as possible. What seems like a mistake is really an inherent characteristic of the report.

There are three variations of the Genealogy Report:

* Register (Descendant Ordered) The Register format is a descendant-ordered format; it presents information about your family starting with an ancestor and moving forward in time to that individual's descendants. The Register format is the format which is accepted by the New England Historic Genealogical Society, one of the oldest genealogical societies in the country. The Register format dates back to 1870 and is used to establish "pedigree."

* NGS Quarterly (Descendant Ordered) The NGS Quarterly format is also a descendant-ordered format; it presents information about your family starting with an ancestor and moving forward in time to that individual's descendants. The NGS Quarterly format is the preferred genealogical report of the National Genealogical Society. The format dates back to 1912.

* Ahnentafel (Ancestor Ordered) The Ahnentafel format is ancestor-ordered; it starts with one individual and moves backward in time to that individual's ancestors. It's not used as frequently as the other two formats for formal presentations of pedigree because it records two family lines in the same report.<<

Tynwald - The Parliament of the Isle of Man

word associations

more interesting google words






Längre fram i tiden begagnades namnet Kaupmannahafn ("köpmännens
hamn"), hvaraf det nuv. namnet är bildadt.

market - place + harbour

hunter gathers then villagers in forest clearings
slash and burn agriculture

villages grew from farms
subdivided amongst brothers
about 20 minutes walk from each other
(see norwegion farm names -tun -ton)

and later vikings

all needed to meet and trade in spring and autumn
craftsmen travelled and traded
and settled where they traded under the protection of strongman a chieftan or a hofding

Harald Høfding

if you have a hof court

you had a democratic ting


the best preserved


with a law speaker who memorised all the laws
in the age of runes

Snorri Sturluson (1179 - September 23, 1241)
was an Icelandic historian, poet and politician. He was twice law-speaker ...

actually Danish because all was under that crown
logmaðr or lögsögu-maðr, law Speaker, or Speaker-at-Law

Thing in old english AKA anglo-saxon
deals with modern languages

Classification: Indo-European, Germanic, North, East Scandinavian, Danish-Swedish, Danish-Bokmal, Danish.

all mutually understandable with varying degrees of effort
but this was Danmark to 1864

oh dear

have a nice Sunday