Saturday, September 04, 2004


Find slægtsforskere, der forsker i de samme personer, som du selv.

Danish site for exchanging GEDCOM data
Lloyd's List

edited from my email
From your comments it seems that you are looking for copies of Lloyd's
Register of British and Foreign Shipping
not Lloyd's List. Lloyd's List is
the correct title for a completely different publication. Try Lloyd's List website at

If it is Lloyd's List that you wish to consult I'm afraid we do not hold any
copies of Lloyd's List here at TNA Library

If you wish to get references from Lloyd's Register.
You can consult these at Birmingham Central Library in the Reference Library. catalogue is online

Friday, September 03, 2004

British Library Public Catalogue:

"New! Integrated Catalogue
BLPC will be replaced by a new 'Integrated Catalogue' on 7 September 2004. The new online catalogue will provide improved functionality and greater flexibility in searching the whole catalogue or subsets of it. Further information will appear here in due course. "
Det Kongelige Bibliotek - Kort- og Billedafdelingen: "The Map Collection "

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DjVu Viewer
Tombstone Initials: "Tombstone Initials and their Meanings"
from my email - some TNA boilerplate auto reply:-

Dear Enquirer

Thank you for contacting The National Archives of the United Kingdom.

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Please note, however, that while we are happy to advise you about records
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someone to do the research on your behalf.

The above paragraph represents our current policy. However, you may be
interested to know that, from October, we will be offering a paid research
service. We will begin with a selection of popular subjects, and we will
gradually be extending the range. It will be a professional, prompt, and
high quality service, and will reflect the expertise of TNA in the field of
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Hanne B. Stegemüller. Copenhagen, Denmark:Sources

Hanne B. Stegemüller. Copenhagen, Denmark:
1. Det Statistiske Departement, Folketælling 1787.
2. Dansk Slægtsforskning., Slægtsbog - Jens Frederik Schiøtt, født 1800, 1977.
3. Register til Odense Kirkebøger 1641-1891 Viede og døde.
4. Dansk Slægtsforskning., Slægtsbog - Jens Frederik Schiøtt, født 1800, 1977.

cut to:-
5544. Kirkebog, Garnison sogn, Johan Jacob Wobenschnur Mousq. Gl. ____ ____ Reg. Cap. Bornemanns Comp. og Anna Christina Nactigall. Testes: Joseph Eicholz, Ludvig [Worsack?]. (Der er mere tekst i kirkebogen, men jeg kan ikke læse det).

Hanne certainly puts me to shame
because I have my sources in my scribbled notebooks and my head and I opnly recently learned how to use CONTROL + S to add sources to Family Tree Maker 11

Genealogy Learning Center

Family Tree Maker 2005 and I am getting this update in a couple of weeks time.

The single CD version is wonderful value too.

Family Tree Maker has been updated and reorganized to simplify the overall use of the program, including entering information, moving around within your family tree and accessing all of Family Tree Maker’s rich features and tools. One example is the Family View, which allows you to see three generations instead of two, and up to eight children at once.
And a pedigree view of 7 generations - going to need a bigger screen !

Thursday, September 02, 2004

Bath Record office

Bath Female Penitentiary (House of Help) (1) archive listed
Bath, Somerset

Scope 1805-1948: records
Repository Bath and North East Somerset Record Office
Record Reference Acc 342
Other reference see Annual return 1992

What we don't hold
The following sources are NOT in the Record Office:

Census Returns
International Genealogical Index
Non-Conformist Church records
Parish records (except copy registers)
Quarter Sessions records for Somerset
Registrar General’s indexes (St Catharine’s House Indexes)
Tithe maps
Village records outside Bath

see here
Archives New Zealand. Te Whare Tohu Tuhituhinga O Aotearoa: "Archives New Zealand works to ensure there is an authentic and reliable record of government.
We do this by advising government agencies on how to create and maintain records of their activities and interactions. We preserve and provide access to those records that need to be kept permanently, and are responsible for millions of such items including the Treaty of Waitangi, immigration and legal records, films and photographs.

These records provide essential evidence of people's rights and entitlements, of the government's impact on New Zealand (both positive and negative) since 1840, and of what has happened in the past to individuals, whanau, communities and to society as a whole. "


Archives New Zealand: Maori Research Topic - War

The most important question to ask when preparing to search the records of Archives New Zealand for information on Whakapapa is "How did my tupuna come into contact with the government?"

Whakapapa can be found in a large number of records held at Archives New Zealand, the main sources being the Māori Land Court records, and the records of the Native and Māori Affairs Department.

The following are some suggestions of records that could contain information on tupuna. They may be a useful place to start searching.

Birth, Death and Marriage Records
Civil registration of births, deaths and marriages has only been compulsory for Māori since 1911 (marriages) and 1913 (births & deaths). Before this, church registers may record some Māori births, deaths and marriages.

There is a Birth Register (1926-1935) in the archives of the Treasury Department from Waikeri in Te Tai Tokerau that provides the date and place of birth of the child, and information concerning name, occupation and hapu of the parents.

The registers of births, deaths and marriages are held by the Department of Internal Affairs in the Central Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages. For information about requesting searches or copies of certificates, and the costs involved, contact:

Phone 0800 22 52 52
Births, Deaths and Marriages
PO Box 10 526

You can use the records held by the Births, Deaths and Marriages Registry to research family history. We hold information about all New Zealand birth, death and marriage records dating as far back as 1848.


Statement on the use of macrons

The Department of Internal Affairs Te Reo Policy supports the correct use of the Maori language and in particular the Maori Language Commission guideline that macrons be used in Maori words where appropriate.

However, current technology and limited standardisation prevents the accurate display of macrons. For this reason, we are not using macrons at this time. We are monitoring IT developments and will address the issue as soon as we can display macrons correctly across all browser platforms.

Etymology: Greek makron, neuter of makros long
: a mark ¯ placed over a vowel to indicate that the vowel is long or placed over a syllable or used alone to indicate a stressed or long syllable in a metrical foot

which were forgotten at first when the computer people were agreeing standards
they evidently knew nothing of latin or scansion of verse

Scansion Definitions - The Poetry Corner
DisForum - - Liste over grupper:

AneEfterlysning Indlæg: 37687 Seneste indlæg: 02-09-04 02:46
Her kan vi efterlyse de aner, vi ikke kunne finde andre steder. Der er fine muligheder for at søge efter kontakter og fælles interesser. Husk at læse vejledningen inden du skriver en efterlysning.

Foreningsforhold - medlem til medlem Indlæg: 1949 Seneste indlæg: 01-09-04 23:42
Her kan du finde sammen med andre om projekter til gavn for alle i DIS-Danmark - eller find sammen i en lokal gruppe. Tilbyd din hjælp, kom med forslag til nye initiativer, du vil deltage i.

Hjælp til Tydning Indlæg: 9876 Seneste indlæg: 02-09-04 05:00
Hjælp til tydning af tekstpassager og hjælp med oplysninger om fotos. Grafik filer (jpg, gif og png-filer) på max 200 Kb kan uploades med scannede tekster/fotos eller henvisninger med link kan indtastes til andre steder hvor disse scanninger kan ses.

KildeIndtastningsProjektet - KipForum Indlæg: 2033 Seneste indlæg: 31-08-04 15:56
Et forum fortrinsvis for kildeindtastere til udveksling af erfaringer, til problemløsning og til afklaring af tvivlsspørgsmål. Desuden kontakt til og fra styregruppen med referater af møder og planer for projektets fremtid.

Markedsplads Indlæg: 13095 Seneste indlæg: 01-09-04 22:56
Dette er stedet, hvor du kan bede om hjælp til opslag på arkiver, du ikke jævnligt kommer på. Ligeledes kan du efterlyse eller tilbyde bøger, mikrokort og andre materialer af interesse for slægtsforskere.

Program- og WebProblemer Indlæg: 3032 Seneste indlæg: 02-09-04 01:00

Her kan du søge råd og vejledning i brug af slægtsprogrammer eller af særligt drilske funktioner i dine programmer.
Dette er også stedet hvor erfaringer med slægtsprogrammer kan udveksles.

Slægtsforskning - metode og teknik Indlæg: 7815 Seneste indlæg: 02-09-04 05:38

Her kan vi udveksle viden og erfaring, problemer og overvejelser om slægtsforskningens metoder og traditionelle hjælpemidler.

A very important site for Danish genealogy but unforunately their english pages have not been maintained

Google Search: english

Wednesday, September 01, 2004

Google Search: soc.genealogy.german
Google Groups: View Thread "German censuses and church records"

Subject: Re: German censuses and church records

Liv Nordset wrote:

> Does anyone know whether there are web-sites for German censuses and/or
> church records?
> Liv
just to make sure that we understand each other:

In Germany with very few exception there have never been published data
taken in a census other than plain figures.
It is true however that the data were acquired household by household.
But the crude data were condensed before publishing.
The base forms,
filled in by the people aided by numerous volunteers (I was one of those
in 1962 and 1969) were destroyed.

The destruction is contained in the
Census Act. The Federal Constitution Court resolved that the
identification part of the census forms (just adress and name) have to
be seperated before the processing of the data.

So today you can't even
tell, who gave false data as to members of the family, income, ownership
of houses, nationality etc. Experts mean that a modern german census has
a +/- 10 p.c tolerance.

Whereas as of about 1920 the crude data was contained in forms, those
data of earlier census' were contained in lists which were bound to
Those books are when available published by interested people
privately at own cost (for example by the AKVZ). This private work is
depending on the authors/publishers also made available in the net (for
example by the AKVZ = googled - Arbeitskreis Volkszahl-Register Schleswig-Holstein e.V.).

The publishing in the net is, however, taking into account the material
on hand, very seldom.

A hardcopy alternative are the so called Ortssippenbücher, which contain
data on families of a certain town as completely as available. These are
also private works, which are mainly available from the author directly.
Wether there are such books you may find out by writing per snail mail
to the local archive.

To answer the second part of your question: with the exception of part
of the LDS microfilms, there are no german church records in the net.

To answer a question which ties in: there are no german official records
of personal data in the net (which is forbidden by law).

Sources of at least adresses are the Adressbücher, which were and are
published for a couple of bigger towns (in hardcopy) and the telephone
dictionaries. The latter are available (for current not previous years)
on the net.

To sum it up: there is no way to do a german genealogical research based
solely on data available via internet and usenet.


Google Search: german censuses

I asked Bernd
> >
> > now what about state censuses before 1871?
> >
> > are there similar books on German census as a whole?
> I personally only know of the work of the AKVZ pertaining to Schleswig
> Holstein. There are websites which contain relatively young data of the
> "deutsche Ostgebiete".
> But there is definitely no "book" (or the couple of books filling a
> whole library) on any census except for the figures published regularily
> by the Statistisches Bundesamt, formerly Reichsamt.
> One reason might be that in Germany starting in quite early times most
> of the data normally acquired in a census were already contained in
> official registers like the Grundbuch (register of land property,
> houses), Meldebuch (register of inhabitants), Wehr(fähigkeits)liste
> (register of recruits).
> The reason for a census like in the Holy Bible was the levying of taxes.

> Up to modern times taxes in money were paid by property owners only,
> whereas other people had to provide services to the community (e.g.
> Hand- und Spanndienste). The landowners were known from the register,
> the others were simply ordered by public announcement or by written
> order(some month ago a wartime (1813) example of such order was
> discussed here).
> examples of Denmark snipped
> >
> > so I would expect similar work to have been done in Prussia etc
> there were register of recruits, but they did not survive with very few
> exceptions you may find in a archive not on the net but in hardcopy.
> there is a register of land property, which shows ownership of any plot
> for at least 300 years back, but the register is sorted by plot, not by
> owner, so if you wish to find a person you may even for smaller villages
> have to dig through hundreds of files not on the net but in hardcopy.
> The current Grundbuch is available on the net, if you can claim legal
> grounds, but you will not find historical data.
> To sum up: in Germany a reason for a generell census was not given
> because normal purposes like taxes or recruiting were fullfilled by data
> on hand.
>Data of authorities were not published. Today publication is
> forbidden by law.
> mfg
> bjk
edited September 2 and 3 2004

unlike as in other countries there are no general rules for the
inspection of archives. Upon filing a request inspection may be granted.

As a rule of thumb:

Firstly one has to claim scientific or legal interest.
Secondly, files pertaining to persons maybe inspected not earlier the 30
years after the death of the person (unless you are a close relative and
can claim that the files are own files, like the marriage record of the
parents, birth record of brothers, sisters).

For genealogical purposes:

genealogy is not recognized generally as science by german authorities,
so that only legal interrest=researching own relatives is accepted.

Scientific ground would be research on the relatives of the e.g. the
Duke of Wellington, Prince of Hanover in order to publish a biography.

Exception: there are many archives on history open for public
inspection. Either the Staatsarchiv of any german state, or the
Stadtarchiv of many german towns. Those are however interesting for
genealogical purposes only if researching the reasons for emigration etc
or when researching an ancestor who was a person in public of the town X.

mfg = Mit freundlichen Grüßen


Google Search: Bernd J. Kaup

Bernd J. Kaup - Rechtanwalt, Frankfurt, Gesetze, Beratung, Recht, Domain, Grabbing, Jurist, e-commerce, Handel, Hilfe, Internet, Arzneimittel, Kosmetik, Lebensmittel

Geboren 1943 in Hannover, dort aufgewachsen, Abitur am humanistischen Kaiser Wilhelms Gymnasium (mit Griechisch, Latein) Studium der Rechte in Berlin, Freiburg und Heidelberg
(Wettbewerbsrecht bei Wolfgang Hefermehl),

Erstes Staatsexamen,
Zweites Staatsexamen in Berlin.

Anschließend juristische Tätigkeit in der Rechtsabteilung, später als deren Leiter in internationalen Unternehmen der Markenartikelindustrie

Seit 1991 selbständiger Rechtsanwalt in Frankfurt a.M.

Meine nunmehr 25-jährige Erfahrung ermöglicht mir eine umfassende Beratung auf sehr vielen Gebieten des Wirtschaftsrechtes.

Das Beratungsangebot habe ich separat zusammengefaßt.

No mean expert THANKS

Tuesday, August 31, 2004

Brought to you by the publishers of
"The Source" and "Ancestry" Magazine

by Beau Sharbrough

In 1990, Steven Covey formulated the ground-breaking list of "Seven
Habits of Highly Effective People." They are:
--- Be proactive
--- Begin with the end in mind
--- Put first things first
--- Think win-win
--- Seek first to understand, then to be understood
--- Synergize
--- Sharpen the saw

I work in a building that once housed Mr. Covey's company. I work
with a guy who once dated his daughter. Upon reflection, I don't
think that either of those experiences has given me any special
insight into his mind. I'll just do what I do all the time and say
what I think. Please don't confuse that with informed commentary.

This isn't a short course in the 7 Habits--they are the kind of thing
you want to approach with patience, deep thought, and an open mind.
You can change your own life if you want--and you created the one
that you have. Enough of that, let's talk about genealogy.

That means actively addressing the issues that confront you. Your
method of address might range from something as passive as simply
making a list of brick walls you have found in your research or areas
where you'd like to improve your skills. It might continue through
analysis of problems, buying and reading books, joining a genealogy
society, meeting Helen F.M. Leary, or attending a national genealogy
conference. The idea is to ask yourself what you can do, and then to
take some kind of action. You have to be very lucky for the answers
in life to come to your door and knock.

How important is it to visualize success? When I was younger, I
played golf. If I stood over the ball and could see the shot in my
mind, I usually hit the ball something like I wanted. If I drew a
blank, I usually duffed the shot. That experience has been
generalized in my mind to include having a big picture of what you
want to accomplish. If you're doing research, you may want to publish
a family history or cover a wall in your house with pictures of
castles or coats of arms. You might want to give a talk on keelboats
at a national conference in front of hundreds of smiling people. What
steps you take next depend a great deal on where you would like to

No matter what your goals, they can be accomplished by proactively
working a list of tasks you set for yourself. One of those tasks will
be the "first thing" you need to do--today, this week, or this month.
Only you can choose what is most important, and you should do that
first. Covey uses the metaphor of putting big pebbles into a jar
before the little ones. He also analyzes things that must be done in
terms of whether they are Important or Not Important, vs. Urgent or
Not Urgent. Covey points out that we spend a lot of time doing
Unimportant Urgent tasks, when we should be doing Important Not
Urgent tasks. Ask yourself, "What should I be doing right now?" and
then do that thing.

Genealogy is not a solitary pursuit. We not only collaborate with
other researchers working on our families, but we put time and
resources into our genealogy that our families might wish to see go
to other activities. Many situations that you encounter turn out like
baseball: one side wins and the other must lose. Covey's habits would
suggest that you look for ways that you and the cousin who has the
family Bible to both win. Clearly you can't both have the Bible. But
can you both feel connected to the ancestors? Can you share the
information in it? Can you make the trip to Arkansas and keep your
spouse happy?

This is an important feature of communication with others. I see
meetings where one person is simply waiting for his or her turn to
speak and not listening to the other person. One person in particular
always starts talking before the other person finishes a sentence. If
you can't state the other person's position in your own terms--in a
way that the other person would agree describes his or her view--you
probably won't resolve the interpretation of that old will or the
relationships among all of the Millers in Travis County. It's
important to collaborate and to understand.

This refers to the whole being greater than the sum of its parts and
has many applications, but in this instance refers to finding
creative ways to communicate with others. It also implies that by
being creative when dealing with opposing views, we can sometimes
find a Third Way--an approach that isn't a compromise but part of a
larger view that incorporates all views. A common example is the
argument of whether to use the birth date implied on the census or
the one on the gravestone. Look for a wider view of reality, where
contradictory information is the rule rather than the exception, and
find a way that you and your cousin can agree about the history of
your family.

I play favorites among the 7 Habits. I like "first things first" the
most, but right after that, I like "sharpen the saw." This means do
things to help you work better. I spent 15 years as a computer
consultant, and it seemed like every 3 years I had to learn a new
language, a new database, a new set of tools to work. As a
genealogist, you will find that there are many ways you can sharpen
your saw through learning, practice, and communication.

If you spend some time reflecting on your genealogy practices,
thinking creatively about your opportunities, choosing actions to
make a difference, and balancing your ideas and needs with those of
others, you might be a more effective genealogist. Covey's 7 Habits
apply very well to genealogy and might be a useful discipline for you
to adopt.
The Franklin Covey site

Condensed Summaries

If you want to discuss genealogy technology issues, please drop by
the RootsWorks Forums ( ).
Registration is free, and I'd be interested to know what kinds of
issues you are facing.


Beau Sharbrough is a product manager at His articles
contain his own views and opinions and do not reflect any corporate
policy or statement by the company. He lives in Provo, Utah, where he
can't wait to see what plant blooms next. The RootsWorks series of
articles focuses on genealogical applications for generic
technologies. Please note that he cannot assist you with your
individual computer and genealogy problems. Visit the RootsWorks
website ( ) for links to previous articles
and Beau's lecture schedule (next stop: FGS conference in Austin.
Texas, in September).


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Sunday, August 29, 2004

Kelly's 1901 Monmouthshire and Mike John has a search engine
not much luck finding my grandfather
Google Search: alfred watkins solicitor

I still prefer the Google site search

and a tighter search string
Google Search: KELLY'S DIRECTORY OF MONMOUTHSHIRE, 1901 alfred watkins solicitor

Visitors book
Watkins Thomas (firm, Watkins & Co.),
solicitor & commissioner to administer oaths in the supreme court of judicature, registrar of county court, clerk to Pontypool Rural District Council & to the guardians & assessment & school attendance committees of Pontypool union, superintendent registrar & clerk to the LIanvihangel-Pontymoile & Mamhilad united district school board,

Club chambers, 22 George street ;& at Blaenavon

my grandfather
Watkins Alfred Henry, (firm: Watkins & Co.), solicitor, Broad street, and at Pontypool
Google Search: Anglo-Boer War chronology BLOG THIS button test OK

see post below for copy paste via dashboard
what a sunday !

Olympic finals and marathon too -- live audio in english
4 years to the next time -


The Boer War South Africa, 1899-1902 is of great interest to family historians

a watershed event for the British Army in particular and for the British Empire as a whole.

Two political ideologies namely British imperialism and Afrikaner nationalism were to clash at the turn of the nineteenth century in South Africa

quotes via google

Anglo Boer War Museum

Anglo-Boer war googled

Google Search: Anglo-Boer War chronology

and the blog this button worked again too
HURRAH to Google

- but gmail is down for now :-(